Total length is 8.25”. Slide lock, picatinny rail, ambidextrous safety, Taurus security system, front and rear racking grips. Rock Island 1911 9MM, 3.5" Barrel, Steel Frame, Adjustable Sights, 8 Rd Mag, Ambi Safety. The butt on a 1911 is sharper. I don't even like the word. Thanks guys, I was thinking of getting one since I have the magazines from my full size + just to have something different. For just shooting the all steel 1911 or commander seem better but I'm liking the Commander size right now. 1 Squad of Nepalese Gurkhas. i was just shooting yesterday with a SS TRP and a SS DW Commander. But that little bit shorter Commander size is easier to carry. Recoil is much more snappy and there's more muzzle flip compared to a full-size. Mar 15, 2015 #1 . Science says there must be, but experience says it isn't enough to worry about. May 11, 2010 #1. www.1911addicts.com › ... › Feedback for Dwe, http://constitution.org/lrev/rkba_wayment.htm, Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 3290 W. Big Beaver Rd. If I had to carry one all day I'll usually go with the Commander just because it's lighter, although I carry my Govt just as much if it's going to be for a few hours or less. But the 1911 is also available in smaller size configurations known as the Commanders, Defenders and Officers Model 1911s. Maybe it is just me but when I think 1911, it is a full sized 1911. Difference in sight radius and accuracy to me is negligible as I seem to shoot both equally well. And I liked it better than the equivalent Kimber. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have two Sigs and a S&W 627 PC revolver. SAO Full-Sized Pistol *Buying ammo from LuckyGunner.com helps support HandgunHero. The gun is very accurate. In Colt 1911 Commander vs Government Shootout and Review I give a few details of the differences of these great 1911's. 1911. 21 AR Style Rifles. My only handguns are a S&W m60 snub (trigger job & bobbed hammer), a mostly stock 5" SA. Commander generally is a Govn't frame with a 4-4.25'' barrel. This way, you will have more reason to get the smaller one in the future If wanting to spend big bucks, I would go with full size. is not in any way affiliated with. Joined Oct 1, 2009 Messages 16 Reactions 0 Points 0. Mag compatability is a wonderful thing. Not troublesome, just different. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I am faster to the target & follow up shots with a Commander. I cannot detect any difference in acquiring the Sig sights versus a 5" 1911. I took my Commander out for it's indoctrination today and ran about 200 rounds through it, … To Colt students, there are differences other than size between an actual Colt full size and Commander 1911, not the least of which is that an actual Commander has an aluminum frame. Height: 5.8 in. Customary Metric . I own a Taurus PT 1911 full size .45 caliber, is the gun has everything I want. I really like commander's in 9mm & 38 super! Full size 1911 vs. LW commanders get more carry time . 2 F-16 Fighting Falcons. The only difference I've ever notice is that I can have the full-length back on target for 2nd shot a micro-second faster. They're my favorite 1911's. 2,139 17 38. I own 2 full size 1911s in 9mm and 45. If it. I’ve never chronographed the two so I don’t know the velocity difference? 1911 Commander. I've gone back to my full size 1911's strong side IWB, a double mag pouch on opposite side helps balance belt. I'm slightly less accurate with it but it is faster than the full size (IDPA) style shooting. Some people just don't want to compromise on performance and ammunition capacity. 7 Ithaca Model 37's. Compare Views. A forum community dedicated to 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Tommycourt Tommycourt. Wilson: CQBc 45, EDC-9, Stealth 38S, GI: NN CCO 45, LB: Commanche Mono HW 45, EB: Alpha Elite Rail 45, SACS: Pro, 10mm custom, Sams MEUSOC replica thingy. The commander model 1911 is generally 4.25″. Officer frame : the Officer 1911 is the subcompact variant. Its full-size grip conceals a standard magazine carrying seven rounds. Not a LW alloy model. Weight: 38 oz. Some new reloads, and noted shooting one then the other that the lighter gun had more "flip" or muzzle rise. Ergonomics are same , so muscle memory is too . I prefer the original "Colt style" Commanders with the 4.25" barrel and bushing. I have both. If there is a legitimate criticism of the 1911 as a carry gun, it is size and weight. In this case 3/4 of an inch shouldn't matter much....I don't feel the difference....now that said on a 3 inch I do. I do like full size better for 45's and 10mm's but I have them in commander. The glock already has a cut off frame at the rear (only done on bobtail 1911’s). S. I don't shoot magnum anything anymore for that reason. Thinking about a commander size 1911 down the road. The 5" has been demoted to bedside use. Basic diagnostic / maintenance / repair work is part of the game. Low … is not in any way affiliated with. They're all good. Suite 500, Troy, Michigan 48084 USA, is an independent enthusiast website owned and operated by Content on is generated by its users. Never got into that bull barrel and FLGR noise. If your plan is for carry, then get the bigger one first. I notice a little more barrel flip with the CCC and that's it. JavaScript is disabled. vs 36.4 oz, so the differences are negligible . I shoot a bit more accurately with the longer site radius of the 5 " gun. Anything smaller than a Govn't size 1911 could be called a compact. The length, 4.25″ refers to the barrel length. Commander is .75” shorter in barrel/slide, the slide cycles .10” less in terms of travel, the sight radius is shorter, the weight is a little less... that’s about all. The 1911 Commander: 4.25" Model The Vigil Commander is an extremely well-made 1911 platform nine with a forged aluminum frame, drift-adjustable rear sight, 25 lpi front and rear checkering. Either learn to do it, or pay someone who can. The additional front-loaded weight will soak up recoil (which would be mild in a full-size anyway) and make follow-up shots a breeze. The 5" is marginally smoother in its recoil pulse, but not enough to justify carrying the larger size. I’ve got full size, commander, cco, and subcompact 1911’s, and I like them all and think each has a place. Having only ever shot full-size 1911s and just recently getting a Commander-length Ed Brown, I instantly noticed the difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. ... for a full custom practical carry .45 Commander, without labor, was about $600. Width: 1.5 in. Can’t be much. How is the recoil on them vs a full size.? Coin flip. Length: 8 in. Only real external meaningful difference, far as carry is concerned, is commander slide and barrel is 3/4" shorter. My LW S&W (4.25") is much snappier than my steel framed STI (4"). 1 A-10 Warthog. The “loaded” descends from the GI specs of the original 1911 and is just going a step further than one size fits all approach. Is there a difference in recoil between a steel commander & a full size 1911? Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada, is an independent enthusiast website owned and operated by Content on is generated by its users. 1 Pallet of Stinger Missiles. The butt of the Commander is almost a full inch longer than the G19. I never noticed a difference between the two in recoil. I am dreaming of a bobtail commander or 4 inch in 9mm. "The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.". Not in a bad way, just different. Rugers lightweight commander (AL frame) is STILL 20% heavier than a G19. These pistols retain the full-size Government Model/Commander grip frame. The Commander barrel is 3/4" shorter than the full-size. There is a little more muzzle flip in a steel commander. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber 1911 and Taurus 1911 Commander. Full steel “combat” Commander. My 5 inch guns get more range time . Tips On Carrying A 1911 or a Full Size Handgun. 1911 Full size vs Commander. Remember Col. Cooper’s words... “. Why do you ask? The 1911 Government was originally chambered in .45 ACP, though other configurations have been made available in everything from 9mm, .50 GI, to .22 LR. 2 Sherman Tanks. Recoil is much more snappy and there's more muzzle flip compared to a full-size. Love the full size when plinking, popping plates or paper at the gravel pit. I have shot almost every 1911 made. A lot depends on your body, how you dress, and how you carry. Commanders, Defenders and Officers Model 1911s. Then a Commander (4.75 inch slide/barrel and full length grip). I like having the lighter slide while still having the longer runway for more velocity. 4.25" with full size frame = Commander 4.25" with shorter frame = Concealed Carry Officer's (CCO) 3.5" with shorter frame = Officer's ACP 3" with shorter frame = Defender or New Agent Per current market/gun forum vernacular: 5" barrel/slide with full size frame = Full size 4"-4.25" with full size frame = Commander or mid-size, sometimes compact 22 1911's 16 Smith & Wesson Model 29's and 629's. Aside from the extra velocity, are you giving up anything when you move from a full sized to a Commander length 1911? The barrel bushing is full size and will only accept full size compensators. Fitting a standard length barrel to a Commander slide isn't very hard to do. - S&W 1911 Sc: Model Class+ - Commander, Barrel Length: 4.25", Overall Length: 7.95", Height:++ 5.7", Weight: 29.7 oz., Capacity: 8+1 rounds - S&W 1911 Pro Series: Model Class+ - Officer's, Barrel Length: 3.0", Overall Length: 6.9", Height:++ 5.3", Weight: 26.5 oz., Capacity: 7+1 rounds I don't have a commander; all my 1911's are full size. Below, in Colt land, a Gov on top (5 inch slide/barrel and full length grip). Come join the discussion about other firearms, gun ownership, gun care, tactical firearms, small arms, optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Some guns may be marketed as commander length with a 4″ bushingless barrel. May 11, 2010 #1. Overall length difference is 8.67" vs. 7.75". Bottom line, it's all about how you practice and what you're accustomed to. However, I have a Sig 229 with 3.9" barrel/slide. Hard for me to say, I like both. VS. Taurus . Probably commander clears leather a bit faster due to shorter length. Jim, When asked by a passerby what sort of government the constitutional convention had formulated for the new nation, Benjamin Franklin memorably replied, “A republic, if you can keep it”. Or a full custom. The 1911 has a beavertail that protrudes from the rear of the frame. 1 Billion rounds of assorted ammo and 2 Trident missiles. {under 4''} Some opinions are that the Officer's size 1911s and some Commanders … I'm a bit recoil sensitive probably due to magnum rifles and 12 ga shotguns so I would notice the recoil difference and I don't. A true Commander 1911 has merely had ¾" shaved off the barrel and slide, but is otherwise the same size. Commanders wear, carry and conceal better. SAO Competition Pistol . I believe it was Clint Smith that said that. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Next an old Officers ACP (3.5 inch slide/barrel and shorter grip) and on the bottom a Defender (3 inch slide/barrel and shorter grip). 1 105mm Howitzer. 1911's are like old motorcycles. 1911 Commander. Commander Discussion in 'Range Reports' started by Tommycourt, Mar 15, 2015. JavaScript is disabled. Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Kimber . There might also be a tiny bit more report and muzzle-blast from the commander-length, but can't say I've noticed a difference in recoil. For the purpose of grips and magazines, this is still considered a full size gun. There is only 3/4" difference in barrel length between the full size and commander versions. Also, and this is something to think about, the single-stack capacity is only three fewer rounds than standard capacity of the Browning Hi-Power. I don't like rails on anything but I do like commanders. They really aren’t considered a true commander gun, more so the “mid-size”. It is only really noticeable if you shoot them back-to-back IMHO. Whatever your reasons are, we'll discuss several tips and strategies for carrying a full size handgun on your person. I have about 10. The Springfield Champion Lightweight Operator isn’t a true Commander, but a four-inch barrel 1911. Weight difference is 39 oz. I started out thinking I needed a full size in every caliber as a goal, after four guns that quickly changed as I purchased a commander size on accident. Desert Eagle 1911 C. Usually when you think Desert Eagle you think big, like autoloading pistols in … It doesn't matter which one you buy.... you'll sell it ............ and buy it back later. And for a few years, I packed the little Officer Model until I converted to Glock19. “Well, dying is certainly better than living an entire life as a moronic sh*thead who thinks Taserface is a cool name.” v v v v v v see below. ZeroTA likes 'em big. Having only ever shot full-size 1911s and just recently getting a Commander-length Ed Brown, I instantly noticed the difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. While DW makes a government size model too, the commander size is a little lighter and a better size for carry. I did this one in 1975. Since you are not looking for a carry gun, I would go with the full size … Thread starter hercster; Start date May 11, 2010; H. hercster Member. I have not shot a commander/4 inch but handling one feels like it balances better for me. I've also been shooting a 9mm Citadel full size gun, it's a lot of fun too. They are available in both aluminum-frame and steel-frame versions in weights ranging from about 26 to … I've carried a full size 1911 + two mag pouch and a Kahr PM40 in pocket for 12 hours a day (including 9 mile bicycle rides) without any problem. Remember Col. Cooper’s words... “It’s suppose to be comforting - Not comfortable.”, I carry both, and deep down inside I tend to feel more comforting with a Government model. The 1911 slide is longer. ... Valero is the best 1911. I’ve carried them all. Not in a bad way, just different. I carry both, and deep down inside I tend to feel more comforting with a Government model. Generally speaking, “Commander-size” (emphasis on the word “size”) is a 1911 that has a 4 1/4 inch long barrel instead of 5 inches like on a full-size 1911. 3 Colt Pythons. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Top to bottom, the popular concealed carry barrel lengths – 4.25-inch, 4-inch and 3-inch. Others have a big enough frame where a full size pistol is all that fits comfortably in the hand. Standard barrel length is 3.5 inches for most models from most manufacturers, though there are shorter barrel lengths out there. 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